Reverend Colin Sedgwick of the Lindsay Park Baptist Church in London argues that the Elizabethan language of the King James Bible is not practical for today's church. "The problem with those who value the Bible largely for its literary value is that their model of the church is all wrong," says Sedgwick. "They may not realize it, but they are turning the church into a kind of living museum."
Art and practice of translating the Bible. The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, with scattered passages of Aramaic. It was first translated in its entirety into Aramaic and then, in the 3rd century AD, into Greek (the Septuagint). Hebrew scholars created the authoritative Masoretic text (6th10th century) from Aramaic Targums, the original Hebrew scrolls having been lost. The New Testament was originally in Greek or Aramaic. Christians translated both Testaments into Coptic, Ethiopian, Gothic, and Latin. St. Jerome's Latin Vulgate (405) was the standard Christian translation for 1,000 years. New learning in the 15th16th century generated new translations. Martin Luther translated the entire Bible into German (152234). The first complete English translation, credited to John Wycliffe, appeared in 1382, but it was the King James version (1611) that became the standard for more than three centuries. By the late 20th century the entire Bible had been translated into 250 languages and portions of it into more than 1,300.
Rightwing Patriot, one can definitely argue that the language used by Shakespeare is not current or modern, but it stands as written in its original language. The King James Bible having been translated from multiple translations is fine as an artifact of its day and important in the English speaking world's understanding of the text, but it's not the only English version that exists today, and I would welcome a new version that is drawn from texts closer to the source material. The meaningfulness of the Holy Bible makes it important to understand its long journey to the flowery, Victorian prose of the KJV.
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The King James Translation is obsolete. Dead as a dodo. The English prose is 400 years out of date. Our understanding of Koina Greek has advanced in the intervening years. Better manuscripts have been located since. The King James translation needs to go out with the slide rule, and the computer punch-card. Obsolete.
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amidst all those can become just a bit of QE on aconstant in and pull these are his closing words the King James version is the Fountainheadof Bible translations into English although the phone this modern translations are models of groups goalof the practice there admired rather than Loved it is the King James version but inthe fight generations of those who listen to it or read it themselves or two ofus other translations may engage the mind of the King James version is the Bible ofthe heart I read to me right in on the squad but subsequently wrote in Monday'sso I humbly beg to differ the mud into a hundred years ago but already don'tbelieve this to any longer to die having lived in Christian circles for most of mylife I can in the sight of this would apply to a new high in theminority of people in the church tube which on ministry north west London on in thehigh road when the area of northwest London in my church run of only one personwho routinely reads the King James version of the Bible I love anything that even shewould describe it as the Bible of the heart just be possible for a few minutesI'm all for a local scholar I'm a local minister to selected tend to come tothis subject for all the from a pestle this goal of the respect it and justto get a bit of my story house to show that meshes in with this theywere lovers are all the stops the fifteen year old boy I made a decision thebiggest decision I've ever made in one line which changed the whole calls of my lifebut decided to become a Christian but I come from a Christian background my father likedto call himself an agnostic my mouth up washing with a binky the show to thenew suggestion that she wasn't a Christian was no but should go up and have aplace which are suspects was last week what we might call moment all but my olderbrother and aunt were packed off to some this to other Sunday often than not wasin the basement Sunday schools to happen in the offing the roles of molding us todie but I think of doing my parents to great injustice what I say to thetop of the market price was to show a couple of hours of peace and quietwith the Sunday Express probably gotten older my heart in full because both my brother inlaw became Christians my brother today is an Anglican and all I'm fifty years on andon just about this vacuum Baptist minister to bed I should read it in my parents'money to school to be on this bike on playing the violin weren't taught me onthe text in those times the local church to retrieve a sense of a good numberof young people including use of coal some extreme in the let's go its own weused to sing to him in the spacecraft some still sing it to die Jesus soughthelp from basis of pizza the end they can train them on in my heart tofollow duty is in my strength alone just so happen to one of the nicest goesin our group was cold today so what can I leave you to imagine the focusoff the right change between us other lesson voices we posses time ma hope to followJudy is in knots trying to love there is a point to the story by theway to get uncomfortable I vented beating so we're left with but didn't ever in factfollow that you did but there were plenty about this you might be described in termsof present a university entrance procedures as insurance and awe remember the first present I everreceived from ago friend most of the pink in nineteen sixty four was his present becauserecalled you time no below now but yes the book but not just any old bookit was of course a Bible what version of the Bible when those days that wason the wrong notion of the bomb what it was the rule for allies solution willbe cold you'll throw as though she knows it's not every night it's a neat explainedto the the fact that the press note on the wall for all saying whoa smallgoals the King James the fuss and it so they caught a furious to discover thisI suspect their so called if you get around to die laboring on the plane thisapprehension so that was my first Bible given to me by the first mile of mymind well remembers a new born Christian kids that are in this Baba hungrily underlining busesI was very good relaxing types in the knowledge in soaking this bauble up yes therewere rumors that the top of the Bible's around the names of the facts and allQs and weighty that the model to other people being mentioned but the authorized version wasincreased use of the the real Bible we did hit overnight and was not about toget it so I'm putting holes Lexus and gospel of the Gospels in Tamil and Englishhis name was J B Phillips but we will hold his versions were not read thetranslations they will paraphrase this and that was something very different three is late so Imade another life changing decision my main subject of school was English but it was issueda public university that was why would read but already do so I did it injust sixteen I want to be a preacher and if you are gonna be a preacherwell the paths of the theology of the fair and so I arrived at university thevery back among Wolf's with a lower level not seen them there is a smidgen ofgreen taste to the impulse to me in about three weeks for the last to featurein just about nothing of ancient history all the cats quite frightening but what could Ido but take a deep breath and plunge into the depths he got out she remindsme of the comments it was my mom our walk when she was expecting our firstchild she compared pregnancy to a parachute jump once you start it there's no going backI felt like getting involved in scholarship even at that very elementary level than that ofthe food she under graduate is pretty robust and well up once you start to grapplingwith the biblical languages questions of authorship sightseeing interpretation that separates the show you can neverre getting your previous innocence he was all taught to squeeze the toothpaste back into thequeue or on scrambled or scrambled eggs we can all be done must be really donethat questions about English translations were pretty much irrelevant now the sunset mother told guests andforth to the Vermont basic introduction to New Testament Greek but do remember receiving ball Ithink was intended as a blow to the encouragement from one of us frighteningly good itand carried on its men bother them into law a lot to certain built up costingKyra there in them but this is the truth said Alston Kyra the language is allin all love primarily with the mind there are sold from the pool this well Ithink I think I knew what he meant but I'm not sure it's quite as simpleas that cuts my light poles were quiet for a senile my boss told another fighthe is a novel diet is a Baptist minister Mike comes a month as to schthat is another big decision to persuade the judge he was taunted ball IQ Bible usrelying on people to bring their own the once common practice was un realistic and thesons of people sitting with the ladies on a smile perhaps quite difficult passage from polewas being read was simply intolerable it was just the sheer waste of time but ifwe did buy baubles was good to shoot baby the trumpeter if I stand in theocean there was of course resistance to abandoning the King James version I think we shouldstay with the original I was told the stalwarts of the judges up with a fineChristian man but a man who would oversee Neville Owen that not only was he didthe King James version not the original we've been reminded to say it was by nomeans even the first English translation many have gone before the King James version translates asthe break they themselves will find that they were not seeking to produce a new translationby Cynthia revision we I may say not to make a new translation up to makea good long time well I profiled in persuading the church in this direction and theshocking go this way now saying to someone and know I've never actually never open theKing James version since indeed even their thoughts on the first and didn't last long fullof baked good that our walls the bits that have not been taken all three placingsof these and the battles with you which was a big thing among us young teenChristians at that time we didn't feel comfortable using the bees and the bass uninformed offpays him such as these brats the archaic even to the translations of the King Jamesnotion that look on Tuesday using old fashioned language the new international version came along becomingobsolete one of the most popular persons especially in the most evangelical circles in which mymood and still manage to that so we got into the background silly to that questionin the top of my contribution to the date was the stacks of abandoning the KingJames version irresponsible well be guilty all be trying out a heritage walk to the caseof dumbing down or will we in fact showing good sense in sharpening up our swelluse of wood we are too of course into the church and knowledge of all thevarious denominations because it was happening in Anglican Roman Catholic Methodist United all the different denominationsnot just one hour I think at this point talking to the deaths of them readto you the column which are contribute to infiltrate the spirits of the other poems whichit sums up most evil but wanted to suck all this column gloriously un usable thetop of which I was brought the crowd because it seems to me to sum upthe King James version glorious mess on the usable in our book involved with the beatof the songs did not talk will make it to some boring top of the daybut this is probably a bit of all the optional said that translates as the KingJames version of the bottle four hundred years ago this year front wheel is on thedescription makes the bike itself as in the language of pagan but it may be understoodeven though the valley fold up the people I knew that people are made an excellentrestoration who could possibly help you with this ironically both the wonderful translation that preaches nowfalls foul of the very principle by Sir Ivor of the decay the King James versionis the golf ball from the cliched faithful puppets in the mold and blow there aretwo main requirements to any translation bottle or otherwise the first season accuracy the second isintended to give it a stylistic considerations are important but they come with the stinking coolthough in terms of accuracy the King James version schools highly ofcourse to translate this couldn'tpossibly get everything perfect the right thanks the city can see that in another call tothat preference the Vegas of the greatest respect for the overall whoa the terms of stylethe criticism could be made to the King James version paradoxically chose to go to publishscholars have pointed out hurt all over the English of the New Testament is often betterthan the Greek of the original so that's for itself home mom has lost some ofhis own Phoenix and hold some of his PA cannot succeed it's a nice question butnow no doubt for another guy a ballpoint us victory excellence at the end of theeffects of translation if you translate on the tour ended after the Russian into English youcould use to reduce than the original Russian is not a good translation but the realproblem is intended to visit soon this is often seen all the fault of the translationsit is simply that the English language has changed enormously over the centuries money is theKing James version not understood even all the very violent up it is not on bestowedby the great majority get in my church in North west London we have significant groupswhose first language isn't even English the fault of requiring them to grapple with Elizabeth andit is the beef and nine which is too ludicrous to contemplate its alpha the questionlet's be honest many of us humble rates however when date UK to owe much tosign not to mention the local news this is what it can be assumed to slaythe latest when the suggestion crops up but not to use the King James version issomehow did in the last area too to roll people of this precious different job andin general from the pontiff cultural crumbles the bottle was never meant to be treated asa victory must appease all I thought I wanted to change people's hearts and minds nothave been dreaming of his poetry even when the sophisticated while we're at the cost ofa mass was primarily concerned with safety the facts out strikes he plainly says so sothese readers might understand and their lead to what I did people many of whom Isuspect never get anywhere in the rich rich who wraps and on easing QE audit ofrisking Warriors agents is I find it hard to shut down the response will give mea break but if this is brought the question arises what instead the main problem hereis to shift from depression of the oceans or with their strengths and weaknesses just ripthe leading contenders of a break up get a new international version which I mentioned earlierbeing your advice and devotion of leafy preferred approach to the academics and the good newsawful complete with its delightful and goings do not despise the good news bobble because ofthe pictures the translation of belief is good as well but whichever we all fall weneed all the help the weekend guests the bar but it's all for all of thelarge collection of often very difficult ancient documents many translations that will come with background materialexpert on the tree nuts mass talent show it's been the extra cost is well worthwhileColeman whose Bible dictionaries and power prices were also caught for anyone serious about the localregion the American Eugene Peterson for a tall pole has done for the whole Bible butto the prodigious achievement this what J B Phillips did over fifty years ago for theNew Testament true his paraphrase the message is very pretty and awesome always as they saycross the appellant seeks to comfort her regret the most part the height of rendering itdoes much to bring the bauble to moan the book of such dollars stands four squarein the dollar of the tradition of the King James version translates this I need todo for us in the twenty first century for victory distances to be thankful that theyfold up in the seventh seed from Brady Quinn the use of the facts so Imention that the authorities to rain but considerations that have to be borne in mind whenit comes to translations obvious really accuracy and intelligent habits the less I forgot the accuracyof the King James version so they tell me on how to rough working knowledge ofGreek concept an old fart state the goats accuracy the King James version stands out wellbut the scholarship new song very Fox and inevitably run into some translation obsolete or atleast open to new post about it too the majestic just one very obvious exalt pullone that many of you I'm sure will be well aware of that interesting changes thatoccurred in many Bible translations in the volt spread with the words lead us not intotemptation Jesus teaches us to pray lead us not into temptation even espresso with stone ofastounding its goal of the masses why front of a little bit perplexing is that onealso from India would've good golf the gold who is our Father in heaven believe thisinto temptation like taking up an alcoholic into a puddle why would he do such athing what many people cannot be expected to understand how should I I haven't had theability to starting this with any kind of serious temple is that the Greek word usedto harass loss is irritatingly ambiguous it may mean temptation in the moral sentiments and HudsonInstitute you know where it may be tested in the neutral since being put to thetax not sure we caught sight of the King James version translates as were the wronghere the translation is technically possible but focused all of the consideration about ambiguity seems totake this goes the other way do not bring us to that on the trial you'reabout to rip on some of the show you're tall bring this to halt tested theliving bone you don't bring us to the tax doing before but bring us to thegreat royal capital T home run in this respect the King James version would appear toview that the field for them often translations the problem of course with any translation itis is it soon becomes from some the smell of a telephone directory the moment ispublished is out of date someone but as one even though the recent launch of Bibletranslations make the role that he will appear in stocks baubles cut the baubles use baubleswith these baubles mains baubles United to be that somewhere down on the best to bewelcomed we need all the help we can get in our reading of the bone butit is of course in the area are intended to deliver see the real problems arewrong language changes to such a degree that even the woods and use the two yearsago are now adults updates on the entire region I read recently of a revision ofthe major fiction read this do nothing to be published whatever the fuck it it justiceand soaps and well it's the book shop around coastal online because they fall don't abuseis not so well I think it is that you're going to be realistic UConn havea booking diction me that expands I didn't deny them asked anyone over forty one andI'll say is that we'll probably have no hesitation in describing a small four with twodrawn to but also it all down to fifty one announces I don't like to receivea very different also the guys are used to look more complete what point does thebacks of meaning become the primary meeting all the world languages glorious these big parade it'salways checked in but it's always moving again referring to my own young guys is ayoung Christian I remember being puzzled was simple ambiguities of the King James version text drainthe Olympics sent Jesus to his just opposite the last supper well used to wonder whatmight happen to me if I left so it although you drink this occasion up noisepoll tells the Christians of probity a small wanted to visit them but was less didthat too he was last here that a World War was the problem then lets youget on with us but of course the great work overload the means precisely the oppositeof what we now mean by that except for the go to the widow of astore in Sydney's present I was preventing get it to his will for his eye hesigned is a very obvious eggs all the stricken exalt was perhaps one thing to dois write the great difficulty involved in seeking to enable the old mean that a womanin the pews to understand the policy good molten translations are absolutely vote they hate thefact that some years ago and you do King James version NKJV appeared on the marketthough a crusty have never yet met anyone who uses it seems a tacit acceptance thatthe original King James version is simply no longer call me the coast of the threedefenders of the King James version are not speaking out the extreme evangelical and fundamentalist wingsespecially prominent in America the victory defenders of the King James version rest but it's notso much on the fifth of accuracy or even a touch of events the old downtownto YouTube the language it is the stylistic facts of the predominance much is made andquite rightly of the many memorable phrases the King James version has decreased to the Englishwe still use often without realizing it even to die well even here we need tobe careful in many such instances as the King James version translates as we're both prettyhappy to recognize the critic is only due to the end they knew very well theywere climbing on the shoulders of the jaundice but going before take result of the finestwords of Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane watch and cry but she entered not intotemptation the spirit indeed is within bought the flesh is weak wonderful King James version butnow ago but maybe a hundred years to redeem team though how this kinda our endof this the US watch and cry but useful not into temptation the spirit is willingbut the flesh is weak the difference of just two votes what other books of theold city and the secret is the baby Jesus in his own skin James version hasmore now that says thou thy servant depart in peace according to the line of woebeautiful August and I'll have more analysis fell by seventy posting things according to my promiseone would be for us so any suggestion that the King James version was ushered intoour language all these bond of the memorable phrases apparently this is the best I canprofess accountable whom I mentioned at the beginning offices stopping observation it has been estimated attwenty three the son of the King James version published in sixteen eleven dollars and tenbut that directly or indirectly through of the polyps that's a statistic the thing with seriouscontemplation I'm afraid I haven't read Professor David Crystal spoke he kept reading the reviews orget the impression that he too is going rather a long bustling line the coast tosettle this is not in any way to describe its the King James version or translatesthis verse of me and all it is simply to point out that the King Jamesversion has been the recipient of much adulation a generation which are repeat it again itnever wanted or asked for to Richard Reid has no rights the directive s but it'sabout the profound influence of the King James version upon them by which all serious themovable own sometimes King James had different method in college this notion to confuse what allthese memorable phrases have faded into obscurity you never know I think it's highly unlikely asa Christian of course talk on welcome support in others among the Christian intelligentsia who isseen fit to comment on this and destroyed emphasis on the bauble primarily as a victorytreasure as opposed to sacred texts some indeed if found to be intensely irritates me thisinto C S Lewis that crusty old iconic plus on the back of the King Jamesversion rhythms and patients I'm not too cold shoulder on to its resemblance to resume onthe supportive plus some other resemblance is usually recognizable if I sign this letter typical sistersif I say at the rate down to match avoided the river and the crack whorewithout without warning remind you all in the beginning goal to create it has been inthe room USS Cole says mischievous streak on call to the sentence exactly equivalent of Genesisone one in both woke mom up and said the Bulls Provo in other words whatthe sign is the reason it's inherent in the beating of why it's the fact thatexactly the same rhythm opposed to something majestic as in Genesis one that something may becommonplace as in Lewis's a distraction is purely coincidental it is not the consequence of anygreat victory sensitivity I was in fact energetic he opposes any notion of the bottle dayson end to the register the future it is he says and you can see theflames coming out of his mouth and he says it is he says Olivia sacred bookbut a bookseller remorse Leslie and continuously so crude that the smoking but it excludes orRick panels than merely aesthetic approach you are rated as the church I only bought quotedefaults block pots Inglewood against the grain using the true propel us it was not intendedto sow putting it very simply Lewis says I cannot help suspecting that those who readthe top of the picture nor would you be the top of that cool Richard Dawkinsthe Prince of Wales the late Michael folks on names that come to my mind it'swatching two cases of it being of their atheism right Gnosticism lamenting that utilizes the KingJames version when the speaking on its preservation well brought up above the red ass victorychant then don't read it all who knows when someone like a conductor but if youknow if he's right though missing the very point of reading it in the first placebrought a lot of people go to war to split up and come away only ableto infuse about the Camberwell what the scenery also because the honey let's think of anyinfuse about the cost you she has said it is equally scary to talk about thebottle is a monument of English prose on Knitty admiring it as a monument over thegraves of Cristiano he says that the Bible has a victory influence upon the notion thatteacher not because it has been considered asking the teacher but because it has been conceivedis considered as the report of the world of golf watch the dogs sometimes woman lookingfor tryouts we visited one of those they feel booking museums you've not visited them alsoyourself you can go to these places is that it's in the life extension and longeraround to recreate the village you can watch for it open a box with looking atthese foliage or a woman in the long dresses looked in the fall the baking cakesin the provision of uneven to follow Christ TV news pages if you feel like anice cream you can stop a boy on an ancient on trust in the office andcorduroy cap he will offer you the contents of the big square ball swung his handlebarplaces these visiting museums the Bell Museum which you want a bit of an onion onerunning also electricity the problem I think the analogy or think is that the problem withthose two prior to the bauble largely for its victory value is that their model thatthe churches old wrong thing they don't realize it but that shutting the church into apond of the thing you see him something robot quite nice for a visit it's niceto sentimental I thought about the death note practical ostensibly that is the Christ the KingJames version of the from the point of view of the believing Christian that place mustbe seen for what it is those comfy than science the place of the King Jamesversion it's the realm of the skull up it's the realm of the S states it'sthe realm of the museum curator the King James version is a wonderful book but itis not a working boat the church if it is taking a toll is a workingboat and people coming together after the sheriff of the offence to which the Bible andthe top of a modem there's Testament now call somebody might well say well it's nowfor two years or more since this whole side of the time didn't stop to takeplace but it was happened since carry all this the kind that is if she's anythingbut won't that we keep hearing statistics that show that the church is shrinking boss shouldn'thold its Malden on a section of that going out for resurgence of interest in theshow and in Christian things the toy good question and it is costing which deserves anotherlecture revealed to excel what science is that the numerical decline in the chair as itis attributable to a whole range of options the increasing secularization of else aside from theworship of the great gold materialism being of course very much to the fall and wasof course it would be impossible to prove this there's no doubt in my mind thatthings would be very much blokes if the church have clung stubbornly to the King Jamesversion I might just add also that if we look around the churches which are blockingthis molten trend of numerical beat on DEL very likely on to say absolutely necessary butthey are very likely to be precisely those churches that the whole hall to the embracethe Molson Indy and not only in the Bible say years but also in their musiceven that dress comes with all sorts of other things the polls at this point togo up a little bike crash and just the Hoff a minute to find out thewhole the whole stress for a moment by Col resist commenting that the dismissive remarks aboutthe the happy happy too are often extremely unfair I don't think of oneself particularly asa charismatic about something not a happy happy what can only respect the fact that manyof these two shoes all the ones that are making meaningful contact with the drug addictsand the gang members often it is the church members who else in the town centersin the OT out to the south of the morning booking of St pastas picking drunkenattempts to sell to pick up those giving if it hopes to go to can thelongest and oldest in the new offering coffee Creek train compressed a shoulder to cry onwe talk about mobilization of dumbing down but believe me it isn't all froth and bubblehas real substance there is one and one it we got ten Lions that if youagree so it was the judges about events of the King James version an act ofdumbing down one axis allies in shopping up everything hinges on whether you view the bombblast in history all the facts or as inspired Scripture UMD in any doubt as tomy view of them not to see the use of the biblical of cloth looking backnow this seems to be the absolute in the ethics of them Etsy about the preciousonce it stops there was no stopping it do well there really is that it shouldstay with the King James version as long as it did all you it's another wellplaced to it in my adoration for the King James version further super cute to thankall for it I'm going for them but that still through the stills the remains ofpractical working on quilts done well sorry the the the the