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Evgeny Morozov: The Internet in Society (Animated)

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michaelcote Avatar
Posted: 03.04.13, 05:16 PM
One of the most incoherent blatherings I've ever seen. What is this guy talking about? Anyone? He starts by arguing that the early builders of the internet were utopian visionaries who believed the internet would lead to more democracy. Then he states that is not true. He states that those people were disillusioned. He characterizes p)rn)graphy and youtube as though that's all people do online. No doubt those are ubiquitous uses, but his argument seems more about his own personal discomforts rather than how people actually use the internet. He doesn't even attempt to support his assertions with data, of which there is plenty. How can he ignore scores of studies that show that the internet is in fact being used to increase democracy, make political change, and spread information. In fact, and with unbelievable irony, he goes through a long, long, long list of examples of how democracy and information have spread throughout the world. So, what is he arguing, exactly? And how on earth did he ever get on Fora?
thebiggestnumberthereis Avatar
Posted: 06.01.11, 08:08 AM
Anytime there is a big jump in digitally communicative "freedom", there are always people in government and society alike, in any country, that begin to extend their conservative influences and make efforts to shelter the people. This gives the people the opportunity to stand up for themselves and demand the freedoms they believe they deserve. This is a familiar process and is not shocking nor alarming that this happens in societies that western civilizations consider to be more oppressive than their own. It is still a step in the right direction (if the people actually want democracy), because it provides not only a platform to contend with governments somewhat anonymously, but also just providing the opportunity to express a criticism of government in some countries is a worthy enough cause. Also, when Evgeny Morozov says that aside from North Korea and Burma "government leaders are very actively engaged in technology and computers," the implication is internet, and the government leaders in the comic are sitting around a three-sided computer that says, "debate" on it, so I think that is a bit misleading because China has been infamous for its limits imposed on internet use for its people ever since google refused to do business with them unless they provided their people with unlimited access (a controversial topic due to some of the ways google carries out business, yes, but still relevant), to Iran currently expressing openly that they wish to have an internet system in place that would not be connected to the global internet so as not to have western influence affecting their people - to name a couple. And Iran's current situation is just another opportunity for Iran's people to decide what they would like for themselves, and fight for whatever that might be if they disagree. Internet doesn't "solve" anything, or give a country Instademocracy, but it does provide a great "square one" for oppressed citizens that desire democracy.
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Posted: 04.25.11, 08:40 PM
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