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Marriage Equality: Panel Discussion on Proposition 8

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David McCoy Avatar
David McCoy
Posted: 11.10.08, 02:27 AM
This is the most informative you can get!
I'm a gay latino man from Los Angeles. It's nov 9-08. I'm deeply sad that the lies of certain religious groups took away my rights, but I must say that people like these in this conference I am so proud of. I hope this prop 8 get overturned by our constitution because the majority can oppress a minority. Thank you guys! I wish every person who is against gay marriage could see this video. LOVE will prevail!
heybd Avatar
Posted: 10.31.08, 06:34 PM
@jensenjoe: You seem to be advocating for the tyranny of the majority. It's a sticky situation to just say "majority rules, case closed." I don't want to cede my freedom to the mob mentality. Outlawing gay marriage denies gay people their right to liberty and arguably property as quoted in the fourteenth amendment by fletcher. Having legal gay marriage does no such thing to those who may oppose it.
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fletcher + Staff
Posted: 10.16.08, 08:22 PM
US Constitution, Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1: "... No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States : nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws ." In response to previous post: All one has to do is briefly review Greek history to understand the hazards of unchecked democracy. Using the logic of "majority rules" we would still have numerous civil rights problems in this country (e.g. segregation or slavery in the south). An abbreviated response to "majority rules" logic: If 500 people want to take your cake, and you don't want them too...well by George majority rules! You have no right to that cake if the majority wants to take it from you, right? BUT WAIT, here comes the voice of reason. Someone intervenes and says, "All 500 of you already have cake, so eat it and leave this person alone." And light bulbs go off in everyones' heads and they realize it's not their place to tell others how to live their lives or in this case what to do with their belongings. Then everyone gets along and they all live happily ever after... How this is even up for debate in this day and age is incomprehensible to me
jensenjoe Avatar
Posted: 10.10.08, 07:07 PM
I live in Florida, and the marriage issue is on our ballot as well this year. However, I am insulted over the opinion of Donna Ryu who believes that one or two Judges can't be convinced to go against it, or make the wrong decision about it, but 695,000 thousand citizens who would vote in favor of eliminating it in California would. In other words when we have a majority of three of out of five county or City Commissioners, she would agree that they can't get decisions on growth issues, or any issue wrong, but 695,000 people could. I believe that citizens have the right to say yes or no to the Marriage issue, or any issue that would get 695,000 signatures, and a Judge should not have the right to overturn that decision, because it would be taking my right, and the other 694,999 people who signed the petition. That's what's wrong with this Country these days, citizens rights can be ignored even if you are the vast majority, because they believe they are better than citizens, they know better, and it doesn't matter to them, because they are right and the vast majority is wrong. I would imagine that Donna Ryu would say, don't bother to vote this November, because your majority opinion doesn't really matter to me, or anyone else who thinks like me. How arrogant is that?